What Is The Cheapest Tax Software for 2018?

Who has the cheapest tax software, including free versions–TurboTax, TaxACT, or H&R Block? We have the answers in this side-by-side comparison.

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There are three major tax preparation software packages on the market that most do-it-yourself tax preparers will use–TurboTax, TaxACT, and H&R Block. Comparing these three options to find the cheapest can be a real chore. Each has several editions with varying features. As a result, it is important to compare competing editions between the providers, not just to look simply at the lowest overall price that any seem to be offering.

What is vitally important in selecting the least expensive tax software is making sure that you get the right one based on your own individual income tax situation. Each of these providers has a very attractive free package. But these options won’t cover more than the most basic tax situations, so be sure you know what you need as you shop around.

Bottom line: Unless you have a very basic tax situation, you’ll likely have to pay something for your tax return software. But just how much you pay will depend on the service you choose and your individual tax situation.

To help you sort through this mess, let’s take a look at the offerings of all three companies, as well as the individual editions, and the charges related to each. Note that the costs listed below are for the online versions of each tax software. The cost for the downloadable versions is listed at the end of the article.


TurboTax is highly regarded in the self-prepared income tax universe, and it is the most popular tax software. But it has five different editions, and you have to choose the right one for your tax situation. Otherwise, you’ll need to upgrade.

Here are summaries of all five editions:


This version is for the simplest tax returns, but it costs nothing to file either your federal or your state tax return. It only works with forms 1040A, 1040EZ, Schedule B, and Schedule EIC. It’s ideal for those with simple tax situations that don’t involve many deductions, except for the Earned Income Credit. It does, however, cover the Child and Dependent Care credit and child tax credit, so even parents can use this version.

As with the other versions of TurboTax, this one will let you upload a photo of your W-2, which can make the process of filing your taxes a snap. And you can file from your internet browser or through TurboTax’s mobile app.


This is TurboTax’s most popular edition, and it provides most of the services the product is known for. It is recommended if you have tax deductions, as the edition is specifically designed to maximize those deductions. The cost is $39.99, and the e-file is free. There is an additional charge of $36.99 for state returns (per state). So if you have to file in your state, you’re really looking at $76.98 – and that’s assuming you don’t have to file for more than one state.

Deluxe is the most popular option because it fits most taxpayers’ situations. It lets you maximize mortgage and property tax deductions, and allows you to deduct charitable donations. As with other TurboTax options, this one will also allow you to find new deductions you hadn’t thought of, and it’ll tell you whether you should take the standard deduction or itemize your taxes.


This is the TurboTax edition you will need if you have taxable investments or rental property. It does everything the Deluxe version does, but it adds sale of investment securities, automatic calculation of cost basis for investments sold, and preparation of Schedule E for rental properties. If you maintained rental properties or bought and sold taxable investments in 2017, you’ll need to spring for this upgrade to the Deluxe version. The cost is $59.99 and includes free e-file.

It has the same additional charge for preparation of your state return(s), at $36.99 per state. Plan that you’ll have to come up with $96.98 for this edition if you have to file in your state. Check out the TurboTax Premier Edition here.


This edition does everything that the Premier edition does, but it also adds preparation of Schedule C (sole proprietors). It maximizes business tax deductions and depreciation, and also reports income and expenses from S-Corporations, C-Corporations, partnerships, and multi-member LLCs (but not the actual returns for each). Bottom line, if you’re a sole proprietor running a business with streamlined income and expenses, you can probably file your own taxes with Self-Employed.

The cost for this edition is $89.99 including free e-file. And once again, many of you will have to add in the per-state charge of $36.99, bringing the actual cost to $126.98. Check out the Self-Employed Edition here.

TurboTax Live

This is a brand new service from TurboTax for this year. It basically gives you the advantages of having your own CPA or EA give you advice on your taxes, while minimizing those costs for most people. It costs $149.99, plus the additional $36.99 for one state filing. So that’s a total of $186.99. But if you have a more complicated tax situation or just need the assurance of having someone look over your taxes with you, this could be a good investment.

This option lets you file all the forms that are included with the Self-Employed version of TurboTax, so basically all of the forms. But it also lets you connect to a CPA or EA on your computer screen whenever you like during the process. In short, you still fill in all of the information. But you can get live advice from an actual person who is familiar with federal and state tax laws.

Go to TurboTax’s Official Website


TaxACT works much the same way as TurboTax, in that it has multiple editions. In the past, it had a confusing array of editions and bundles. Last year, they streamlined their offerings. And this year, they added an interesting new one: the Freelancer edition.


Last year, TaxAct charged extra to file a state tax return. But they’ve upped their game this year to compete with TurboTax. Now, the free version is truly free as long as you can get by with the limited forms that TaxAct makes available. As with TurboTax, this free version works only with the 1040EZ and 1040A tax returns. As of December 11, 2017, it’s unclear from TaxAct’s website whether or not this version supports filing for the Earned Income Tax Credit.

The only thing you’ll pay for with the Free version is to import last year’s tax return, which makes filing simpler. This costs $15.


As with TurboTax’s Deluxe version, this is the most popular option for TaxAct users, primarily because it covers the needs of most American taxpayers. In fact, it folds in more features than TurboTax’s popular version, as it also gives you access to Schedule D, where you can report stocks and other investments, and Schedule E, where you report income and expenses related to rental properties. This version also offers a Donation Assistant to help you maximize your charitable donations. This version costs $25, plus $37 for state taxes, for a total of $62. Importing last year’s tax information is free with this version and up.


Interestingly, TaxAct has put together this freelancer version, as more Americans have become freelancers or have side gigs. It’s much cheaper than TurboTax’s Self-Employed version, at just $39 (plus $37 for state taxes). However, it also offers a service tailored for freelancers, who generally report using Schedule C rather than the more complicated income and expense reports for C-Corporations and other more complicated businesses. When you use this version for state and federal taxes, your total will be $76.


From TaxAct’s list of available forms, you don’t get a whole lot more when you upgrade to the Premium version. It’ll still work for freelancers and many small business owners. The primary difference in this $51 version is that you get Audit Defense protection included. With the other versions, Audit Defense costs an additional $39. So it’s much cheaper to just spring for the Premium TaxAct option to begin with, and then you get your audit services built in. This also costs another $37 for state taxes, so that total comes to $88. That’s like adding Audit Defense to the Freelancer version for only $12.

Go to TaxACT’s Official Website

H&R Block

H&R Block has four editions, and you have to choose the one that most closely matches your tax profile.

More Zero

This program recently upgraded to offer free state taxes, as well as federal taxes, this year. It’s very similar to the other free versions listed here. It includes some slick features, like the ability to take a picture of your W-2 to streamline filing. It includes support for certain deductions, including the Earned Income Tax Credit, childcare expenses, student loan interest, mortgage interest, and even some cash and noncash donations. Because of this, it’s a more robust option than the other two free programs.

  • For a limited time, filers will earn 20% off all Federal file options!

Deluxe Online Tax Filing

Deluxe will store your returns or pull data from prior years’ returns if you’d like. It offers a deduction tool to make sure you’re making the most of your deductions, most of which are available to users of this version. Additional tax situations that are supported here include Health Savings Accounts, unreported tips, and hobby income. This version costs $34.99, plus $36.99 per filed state, for a total of $71.98 if you file for only one state.

Premium Online Tax Filing

Premium will soon make tax filing easier by letting you import expenses from some popular expense-tracking apps. This version is ideal for freelancers whose income and expenses can all be reported on Schedule C-EZ. If you own rental properties or need to report investment income, this is the version of H&R Block you’ll need. It runs $54.99 for federal taxes, plus $36.99 per state. So the total here is $91.98, if you’re filing for only one state.

Self-Employed Online Tax Filing

Self-employed individuals with a slightly more complicated tax situation will need this option. It lets you fill out the full Schedule C. It also automatically imports driver tax information from Uber, which is great if that’s been your side gig this year. At $74.99, this service for self-employed people is cheaper than TurboTax’s. Overall, you’d pay $111.98 for the service overall if you only filed for one state.

Go to H&R Block’s Official Website

Worth Mentioning…

There’s a newbie to the free online tax filing game as of last year, in the form of an already-popular credit checking company: Credit Karma. Their new program, called Credit Karma Tax, is guaranteed to be completely free for almost all filers. Even freelancers could file their taxes for free, as this year’s list of supported forms includes Schedule C for sole proprietors. You can check out our review of Credit Karma Tax here, which was brand new for 2017 (tax year 2016).

In Summary

All three vendors above have very similar editions available based on your tax situation. There is a wide variation in what each charges for their plans. TurboTax is definitely the highest priced, while TaxACT is clearly the lowest. And H&R Block rests comfortably in the middle. It may come down to which program you have used in the past and are the most comfortable working with.

Here is a summary of the costs based on various tax situations:

  TurboTax H&R Block TaxACT
Returns with Itemized Deductions
(Federal + 1 State)
Returns with Investments
(Federal + 1 State)
Returns for Real Estate Investors
(Federal + 1 State)
Returns with Self-Employed or Small Business Income
(Federal + 1 State)
Go to TurboTaxGo to H&R BlockGo to TaxACT

Downloadable Versions

For those that don’t want to prepare their taxes online, downloadable versions of the tax software are available:

  • TurboTax: $39.99 to $109.99
  • TaxACT: Up to $76
  • H&R Block: $29.95 to $89.95 plus the cost of state returns and state e-file
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53 Responses to “What Is The Cheapest Tax Software for 2018?”

  1. I’ve used TaxAct download in last 2 years, 2016-7 & others in prior year. Each has their scheme to harvest increasing revenue each year. Most objectionable is the ‘finish your return, to find you need x non-included feature that now cost $40- 50’. Price increases of 100% are common, you know kind of in line with inflation…..!? ! IRS, lobbyists and our reps from congress appear complicit in the ‘got ya’ revenue model. This tax crap, could all be simpler and cheaper.
    A Download product is great for ‘a security hack’: Do your taxes, use fake names & address, fake social security number and (a close but) incorrect birth date. Then print , write the correct info on the forms & mail them in. Now NO TAX PREP firm has your info. (you can do this on a cloud tax service yet this is an extra level of security) Security is a matter of degree ; IRS got hacked a few years ago with citizens / tax payers confidential & private info going ….well who knows where.
    Also, please update your article monthly to keep current on the price increases and new revenue schemes, it adds to your credibility.

  2. done with turbo

    I’ve used Turbotax for years because of a rental. Found some old errors re: depreciation that cost me a lot I’ll never get back due to time. I used online version for 2017 and found I couldn’t access the actual forms and IRS docs like I could in the past–evidently the online version doesn’t offer that. I like to see what Turbo tax is actually filling in what form and the instructions to make sure. Once burned….not again. Cost was high and it was much more than advertised, which I found out only at the end after completing the taxes. State was outrageous. I’m going back to hand calculations. Might try Credit Karma. Turbo tax is a rip off!

    • Steven Kadera

      I too have used “FreeTaxUSA” for about 3 years and while I cannot know if I receive more or less of a refund, it is very easy to use and I have been satisfied…

    • Tom Anderson

      I second this recommendation. I started with TurboTax which, frankly, is probably the best software but I hate that they lobby Congress to keep the tax code complicated. So I switched to TaxAct for a few years. Then they jacked up their prices. This year I discovered FreeTaxUSA and was quite pleasantly surprised. It’s not fancy but that’s why I like it. It’s clean-looking and gets out of your way. It’s a great solution for those of us who know what we’re doing and just want to get it done quickly at a fair price.

  3. I can only comment re HRBlock: I think the prices you note for it are WAY out of line. I’ve used HRB for at least ten years. I’ve never paid more than $30 for the deluxe version which includes both Fed and state (one state only) filing. For the last two years I’ve paid $22 and $20.

    • I too have been using H&R Block Deluxe (Fed and state) for about 9 years now and you can always find it as a daily deal or lightening deal on Amazon which usually starts on black Friday. This year so far it has been a *daily deal* for $19.99 twice that I noticed. Last year I kept missing out but found it, again, as a lightening deal in early March. I have never paid full standard price. Note-I’ve discovered Amazon’s prices for it on black Friday are actually a few dollars more than any of their future sales.

  4. Someone mentioned it back in 2015, so I’ll plug it again now. Freetaxusa is a solid service if you don’t mind doing a little extra work. This mostly entails manually entering all of the information from your various forms. Federal is always free, state is $13. There’s a “deluxe” package, for $7, but you only really need it if you’re expecting that you’ll need to amend your return. To me, for $13, manually entering my forms is a small price to pay.

  5. Cliff Hoglund

    Shop around I purchased TurboTax Premier for $69.86 from Amazon Staples and several others are also well below what TurboTax has on their website. TurboTax Premier Comes with one State File included.

  6. James Demers

    I switched to H&R Block last year, after the Great TurboTax Ripoff, where they moved features I needed to the most expensive product they had. Good for that year, but for tax year 2016 the software refuses to import local taxes paid, and reported on my W2, to the New York State IT-2. It simply ignores the data that’s there. And if I over-ride the IT-2 and enter the numbers, it refuses to file the return. Nice, given that NY REQUIRES you to e-file.
    Still not sure wtf to do about this – it’s infuriating, and H&R Block’s purely imaginary help and “chat” are just that: non-existent. No links to be found, and the 800 number lets you talk to a computer, which is programmed only to help you buy the product. Huge disappointment.

  7. Les N. Close

    I don’t use online tax prep. My financial info is my own business. I’ve used Tax Act mid-level download since the 2008 return, when it was a pretty good deal. For privacy, I always downloaded, then pulled the Ethernet plug out of the back of the computer before installing or starting the program. I need 2 states, and until TY14 the Tax Act total was $30 to $47. For TY15 their price went way up, but I found an online coupon that got me back down to $39. This year Fed and one state is $75 ($60 just a few weeks ago) and an extra state is $38. Worse, the coupons are only good for the online prep now. Heck, at that cost I might as well add some $$ and have a pro do my taxes. I found an HR Block Premium package deal on Amazon for $30 (includes 1 state; extra states are $20). So for my taxes, $50 vs $113. Tough choice, eh? KMA, Tax Act, I’m done.

  8. Nate in Boston

    I’m also upset with taxact for raising their prices. I will switch to another online service. But looks like they have all raised their prices. Not fair! Not cool!

  9. Keith in Buffalo

    Yeah, just did TaxAct (plus, downloaded–I will never trust online). I have been using that for 20 years, from when it used to be TaxCut. I’m furious, I can’t believe they jacked their price up from $30 to $60 this year. Not happy about that, exploring alternatives for next year, as my taxes are really simple. (Unfortunately TaxAct doesn’t seem to still have the Ultimate Bundle, as stated in the article). Paper and stamps is starting to sound more and more appealing!

  10. David OBrien

    I have two comments on this article.

    1) The publication date for this is February 1st 2017 and the title is “What Is The Cheapest Tax Software for 2017?”; however, looking in the comments I see questions from 2015. This makes no sense and makes me question if the software you’ve reviewed was actually reviewed for the 2016 tax year or if this is just a recycled article with the year changed.

    2) Creditkarma is offering free tax software. A comparison of this software would have been nice as it’s a new comer to the game and I suspect is playing as a lost-leader for this year. Note, I have no affiliation with creditkarma just looking into using it this year as an alternative to turbotax.

    • Stephanie Colestock
      Stephanie Colestock

      Hello David,

      This is indeed a base article that we have updated, revamped, and republished with new information. Since the companies and most of their services remain the same from year to year, it’s worth keeping the same framework in place and just refreshing the information. That’s why you see older comments. However, the information IS new for this year.

      We actually did a review of Credit Karma’s tax services a few weeks back — the service certainly warrants consideration! You can read all about it here: https://www.doughroller.net/taxes/credit-karma-free-tax-filing/

      Best, Stephanie
      [email protected]

  11. Rodger Frego

    I have used Taxact for the last 3 years. I was offered to use it again for free this year but have decided to try FreeTaxUSA as well. It appears Taxact is no longer going to offer free tax forms in the future and will raise their price comparable with Turbotax. I have discovered that the free tax programs are just as good as the costly ones so it doesn’t make sense to pay to file federal taxes. I live in Texas and we have no State tax so that is not an issue for us.

  12. David Hudson

    I used to use TaxAct unit they had 3 price hikes in 2.5 months from $30 in Q4 2016, $40 in January 2017 and $60 on January 30, 2017. Now its just feels like they are trying to take advantage of those who don’t purchase in the later part of the previous year. Years past haven’t been quite this bad but they do this every year. I’m calling it quits.

    • I have been using Taxact for the past 3 years. The price was $13.99 each year because I locked in early. This year it has gone up to $27.99. I might use them this year since I started before I noticed the price increase, but next year I will check out FreeTaxUSA. I might even do them on paper. My taxes aren’t the simplest with a (very) small business and itemizing, but it’s pretty easy if you look at last year’s return and no new situations arise.

  13. The 2016 TaxAct Ultimate Bundle does NOT include State filing. It is another $25 for the State Premium.

    Last year, for itemized deductions and business, I paid $20 for TaxAct. This year, I paid $60.

    • Which is why I will not be using it. I have been using them for the last 4 years and they have never had a price increase like this. It is ridiculous. I have never paid more then $30 for tax software fed and state.

    • I found the same thing last year. I switched from Turbotax Business in 2003 when my hard drive crashed And once restored, TT said it was on a different computer and I had to buy it all over again!
      So it has been $2 to $20 TaxAct since then and WHAM $60, really? That’s more than my return!!
      But we have to use that version because of investments!
      I think We shall look elsewhere this year!

  14. I want yo add one thing about tax act I just discovered or had forgotten. The state tax filing fee is $9.99. My daughter, for whom I do her taxes too could have probably done them all online for free. She works in one state and lives at home but has no deductions. Gonna cost me about $40 to e-file using taxact. If did hers online for federal and two states it would probably be free but I’d have to print forms and carry numbers over and enter data several times.

    • Rob Berger

      Cris, thanks for the tip. It often comes down to paying a few bucks for the convenience of using a tax package versus finding the forms and doing it on your own.

  15. I just added all my data and information to TaxAct (like I have each year for 6 years) and in order to take an itemized deduction, I had to upgrade to the $15 product. The free product is now only if you take the standard deduction. Ridiculous!

  16. TurboTax is a piece of junk, and has been since its very inception about 25 years ago. It looks impressive, and has many “bells and whistles”, but it is full of errors and omissions, and its “experts” need to go back to school and learn a bit about basic accounting and tax law.
    Their “guarantee” (plagiarized from that of H&R Block) is equally useless, because — if/when the IRS detects their errors – TurboTax will simply claim that YOU provided the program the wrong information, and they are not responsible. (Read the fine print.)
    For a very simple return consisting only of wages and interest income, it *may* do an adequate job. But you could do the same thing in less time by following the instructions for Form 1040A, and save the ridiculous fee TurboTax charges for their “service”.
    But, if you have a more complicated tax situation, and especially if you have a business, depreciation, interest in a limited partnership or passive activity, or a trust, TurboTax will NOT do your return accurately. You *may* never discover their errors, unless you do the return manually and compare results, or get audited by the IRS — but the return will be inaccurate, and may cost you quite a bit of money (by overstating your income and causing you to pay more taxes than you owe, or understating it and causing you to pay more taxes, penalties and interest down the line, when your return is audited).
    Stay away from “tax preparation software”. Learn how to do your own taxes, or use the services of a competent accountant.

  17. Not true. Turbotax charges 29.99 for state tax. And they don’t tell you that until you spent the hour doing it and got to the end. Also H&R got me about $80 less than turbotax did…. uhhhh……

  18. Arlene G

    Hi, and thanks for your help. I’m trying TaxAct for the first time, and I’m kind of ridiculous when dealing with this sort of thing. Will TaxAct accept log in credentials from my financial institution? UBS doesn’t support TaxAct.

  19. Bev, Y

    None of the numbers you refer to actually matches up with what I see on H&R block. Not saying you were incorrect at the time this was published, but I think they increased their prices during the tax season, which I find ridiculous and unnecessary.

  20. This season I am switching from TubroTax to TaxACT. I take a standard deduction but I have investments and for TubroTax to allow to manually enter a simple 1099B it requires me to jump all the way to premier! The table on this site says for investments you should jump to TaxAct Ultimate but I had no trouble putting investments into the free version. I actually did my entire return on both the taxact and turbotax site and came up with the same number, but I was able to file for free on one and the other wanted me to pay $55.

  21. Jilani, M

    Hi Rob, Very nice and productive discussion. I am in the same boat like Kenneth, been Turbo Tax customer (both Individual and Corp) for over 8 years and this years increase in prices is ridiculous. I gotta do a couple of C Corps and an S-Corp for 2014, for some friends, would you recommend the choice Kenneth has?? never tried em before though??? need advice, thanks

    Queens NY

  22. You stated that you didn’t understand why people would buy Deluxe software from H&R Block rather than Deluxe + State. Not all states have an income tax, thus their residents are not required to file state income tax returns. Makes sense to me.

  23. I used Turbotax for over 10 years but dropped them this year as their price approached $91 to do Fed, State, itemized deductions and investments. I got halfway thru Tax Act (thank goodness you don’t pay until you hit the File button) and realized they do not directly import from Betterment and Vanguard, but require a
    CSV file instead. Near as I can tell, neither Betterment nor Vanguard will supply this. So I took a leap of faith and bought H&R Block Deluxe + State for $32.95 from Amazon as download software for my PC. Betterment and Vanguard imports were very easy, just enter your login credentials and the H&R Block software imported all their forms seamlessly.

    Turbotax has sent me two emails begging for me to come back and offering a $25 spiff to do so but I believe they have lost me as a customer forever by their outrageous price increase this year.

    • Rob Berger

      Kenneth, thanks for sharing your experience on this. TurboTax has made several mistakes this year, including the price increase. I still use them for our children’s tax returns, but they have certainly lost some customers.

    • Doug Anderson

      Thank you for sharing this. I feel the same way about the huge price increase for TTax to $92 for Premier (for Itemizers and Investors). I too will try the H&RB Deluxe since they can reportedly import all investment information directly from Vanguard.

  24. Michael Bennett

    I have been using turbo tax online. Found it easy to use for 1040, schedule A, and State returns. However, they just sent me a letter. Someone accessed my 2013 return on 12-9-14. Now I question their security.

  25. Since I’m a first-year Direct Sales Consultant, I had to add my business to my taxes. I had no idea that meant my return was going to cost more. I filled out my return with the three of these and the best price I got for federal and state was $29.99. $30 for my tax return. I went back to searching and found myself at DIY Tax. I thought that Rob would want to know.

  26. Thanks Rob, I especially like your breakdown of the prices for the different software packages. Although Turbo Tax appears to come out costing more than the other two, I need to let you know that from my own experience ( 7 years to be exact) Turbo Tax has gotten me a far larger refund than both Tax Act and H&R Block have quoted me for seven consecutive years. And they also offer better than average audit support. So, if a larger refund and some peace of mind is what most taxpayers are looking for, I suggest you revise your article to include some actual quotes so that readers don’t get discouraged by the $99.99 cap. Thanks and continue to provide quality articles for thrifty dads like myself.

  27. Rob,

    A few note that once you use a higher level of Turbotax you can’t import in later years to lower versions, Premier to Deluxe for example. Also while other vendors like H&R block will import Turbotax that wasn’t the case from H&R to Turbotax. I use to use Turbo tax H&B with my sole proprietorship, then Intuit kept increasing its price and changed over to premier but couldn’t do switched over to H&R block for a few years. But later after getting married switched back to turbo tax and using Premier now, since that level allowed for the small business, just without all the walking through that I didn’t need anymore. By the way great podcast.


  28. Rob,
    I’ve been using FreeTaxUsa.com for a few years now. I found it on the IRS web-site as one of the recommended free e-file sites and have been using ever since. I did all sorts of things with it – simple files, standard deductions, itemized deductions, W2 & scholarships. I file federal for free online and then file state either paper for free or many states have their own online software to file, which is also free (I’ve done 2 or 3 states online so far, separately from federal. Yes, it’s a little more work, but for the cheap, ahem, frugal of us it may work). I have been filing paper forms before freetaxusa, so am often confused why people pay to download software if it’s available online for free. I understand going to CPA if you need someone else to do your taxes, but if you DIY, then I am wondering if I am missing out on something important, and don’t know something everyone else does.

    • I have been using taxact for several years and they raised their prices significantly last year. I did my teenage son’s taxes on freetaxusa and based on that experience, I will be using them for my own taxes this year.

      • Uncommonsensesc

        I too have used TaxAct for several years and was shocked by how much they’ve raised the prices. Also, as far as I’m concerned they did not have confusing pricing platforms – it was straight forward and affordable. Now I’m on the hunt for a different online filing company and will check out freetaxusa. Thanks for the tip!

      • I have also used TaxAct for several years but am now shopping around due to their steadily increasing prices. The TaxAct online service has an antiquated, early-2000s look and feel, with cumbersome functionality to match; for the prices they are now charging, you can do better.

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