By a vote of 219 to 212, the House of Representatives passed the health care reform bill. While it seems everybody has an opinion about Obamacare, we thought we’d stick just to the facts, and let you decide whether the bill is good or bad for the country:
- Republicans: No Republicans voted for the bill
- Democrats: 34 Democrats voted against the measure
- 32 Million: The estimated number of currently uninsured Americans who will receive coverage under the bill
- $940 billion: The estimated cost of health care reform over the next 10 years
- $143 billion: The estimated reduction in the deficit from the bill over the next 10 years
- $53 billion: The portion of the $143 billion in deficit reduction that comes from social security payroll taxes that eventually will be paid out in the form of retirement benefits.
- $70 billion: The portion of the $143 billion in deficit reduction that comes from premiums to be collected as part of a new government-run, long-term care program for the elderly. These premiums eventually will be paid out in the form of benefits.
- $88,000: New health insurance subsidies would be provided to families of four making up to $88,000 annually, or 400 percent of the federal poverty level
- Pre-existing conditions: Insurance companies will be prohibited from denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions.
- Age 26: Insurers would be required to provide coverage for non-dependent children up to age 26
- Doughnut Hole: Under current law, Medicare stops covering drug costs after a plan and beneficiary have spent more than $2,830 on prescription drugs. It starts paying again after an individual’s out-of-pocket expenses exceed $4,550. Called the doughnut hole, it will be closed by 2020.
- 40% Tax: A 40 percent tax would be imposed on insurance companies providing “Cadillac” health plans valued at more than $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families. The tax would kick in starting in 2018.
- 3.8% Medicare Tax: A 3.8% surcharge would be imposed on investment income for individuals making over $200,000 and couples making over $250,000. This tax increase is estimated to bring in $210 billion between 2013 and 2019.
- $695 or 2.5%: The potential amount of a fine if you fail to purchase health care insurance. Starting in 2016, Individuals would be required to purchase coverage or face a fine of up to $695 or 2.5 percent of income, whichever is greater. The plan includes a hardship exemption for poorer Americans.
- 50 employees: Companies with more than 50 employees would be required to pay a fee of $2,000 per worker if the company does not provide coverage and any of that company’s workers receives federal health care subsidies. The first 30 workers would be subtracted from the payment calculation.
- Abortion: In a deal with conservative Democrats, President Obama will sign an Executive Order “that will reaffirm its consistency with longstanding restrictions on the use of federal funds for abortion.” The order can be rescinded by President Obama or any future president at any time, for any reason.
- 0.9%: Medicare Part A (hospital insurance) tax rate would be increased by 0.9 percent, to 2.35 percent.
- $16 billion: The amount drug manufacturers would pay the US between 2011 and 2019.
- $47 billion: Health insurers would pay $47 billion over the same period.
- 2.9% excise tax: Medical device manufacturers would pay a 2.9 percent excise tax on the sale of any of their products beginning January 1, 2013.
- Tanning Tax: Health care reform establishes a tax of 10 percent on indoor tanning services. This would raise $2.7 billion between 2010 and 2019. As fare as we know, getting a tan outside is still free.
- $132 billion: Government payments to Medicare Advantage would be reduced by $132 billion over 10 years.
- Flexible Spending Accounts: The maximum amount you can set aside pre-tax for health care costs in a flexible spending account will be reduced from $5,000 to $2,500.
- 46%: The percentage of Americans in favor of health care reform, according to a Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll.
- 45%: The percentage of Americans against the bill according to the same poll.
- 36%: The percentage of Americans who think the bill is a “good idea,” according to the same poll.
Source: Health care reform: How House members voted – CNN.com
(source: Highlights of health care compromise bill – CNN.com)
(sources: Obama Executive Order on Abortion Funding, What health care reform means for your small business – CNN Money, Checking the Math on Health Care – NYTimes.com)
(source: Obamacare wins: Now the pain begins)
(source: American Public Divided On Health Care Reform (POLL))
Now it’s your turn–what’s your opinion about the health care reform bill?
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Who cares… one person isn’t really making this “change” anyway. There is a much bigger source that we will never know about. It’s up to God to deal with this and if you haven’t noticed our world is crumbling under our feet! Live your life day to day and don’t stress the small stuff. The Secret Society who is really running this world, will answer to our creator. Guess I’m not debating this topic for my English paper!
right on dave… everything you said is true
true that! but if i was anyone i wldnt leave it up to someone eles, no way, my word should count, its the peoples life that its all effecting so why dont we have a say so in it???
The ignorance on this site is appalling…People who don’t know enough to argue with fact based rebuttals resort to name calling…How can you tell me to argue with proper “grammer” when you spelled “grammar” incorrectly? I advise you get a web browser with spell check…
The ignorance of calling someone a socialist as an insult is ludicrous to me…I’ve been to socialist countries and the system can work when properly implemented…
I think that a good political philosophy, incorporates the best from different ideologies in an attempt to counteract the pitfalls that are associated with the ideals of the individual systems…There is something to learn from others, if you denounce someone/thing because it’s of a different view point then you’re just a puppet being used by others….Formulate your own ideals, and don’t regurgitate the things you see on television and hear from others. Cogent arguments are accepted, those of a more ignorant nature aren’t…
That is fantastic! Thank you!
You mentioned socialist countries that “work”. Which ones? Did Greece “work”? Did Spain “work”? Sheesh. YOU get your facts straight.
I agree Dave. Im neither for or against the health care reform bill, but if helps the elderly who have worked all their lives and help build this country, and children who stay sick because their parents cant afford to take them to a doctor it may be a good thing. What bothers me more than the Health Care Reform Bill is hearing on CNN that the Mexican Cartel is threatening to start killing children in Ft Hancock Texas, and the head-aches that they are causing on the Texas, and California boarders. What is America going to do about that?
Take a poll of your friends or co-workers, and ask how many people they think do not have health insurance in America. The answer will, no doubt surprise and sadden you. The common response is somewhere around 40-60% of the population. This is sad because it shows just how well the rhetoric machine can influence the uninformed. It is surprising because the actual number is lower than 10%.
Even those on the extreme left do not claim a figure anywhere near the 40-60%. The most common scary number the left likes to throw around is that 45 million Americans are without health insurance – a number that is disingenuous, to say the least. But even that number works out to only about 15% of the population.
Of those 45 million that are said to be without health insurance, there are about 10-15 million people who make over $75,000.00 a year. These are folks who could easily purchase their own health insurance but simply choose not to. That brings the number down to 30-35 million, or around 10%.
Of the remaining 30-35 million there are young people who feel age is on their side and are not terribly concerned about health insurance. There are children who are actually covered under Medicaid and there are those individuals who for one reason or another do not work, either through choice or through circumstances. So you can see that the number is easily less than 10% anyway.
The rhetoric machine has been so successful that it has convinced people of a crisis where there is none. Sure it is tragic that any would be without health insurance and it would seem to make sense to come up with a way to cover that small minority. But why are we looking to place 90% of the population under socialized, government health care when they are already covered?
Do you truly believe that a government run health care system would be better? Do you truly believe it would be free? If you do, I would suggest you take a look at a government run health care system that already exists it is called the Veterans Hospital system. Enough said.
Dr. Stephen D ~
Your dead on! I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your comments. Glad to know that I’m not alone!!
Wow…these are the exact points I’ve made several times before and this is the first time I’ve read this post. I am a pharmacy technician, and I know from direct experience that the huge majority of individuals DO already have health insurance and that most people are fully satisfied with their insurer, some actually love their insurance. Yeah, thats right, they love their insurance. One woman who comes in once a month & picks up 14 medications every month (she is a diabetic), and pays under $50 total… to put it in perspective, the cost of the cheapest of those medications without insurance is at the very least twice that much.
And for the rest of the people who only pick up medication when they need it, their co-pay is usually $15-20 ….and to me this isn’t a crisis. Some Americans spend this much on a single trip to McDonald’s…maybe thats the real crisis & half the reason why people even need to worry about having insurance when they a ’sudden’ heart attack.
There are not 46 million “uninsured”!
20 Million illegal aliens are covered under Medicare Section 1011!
Look up Section 1011.
9 million on Medicaid on MEDICAID said they were uninsured!
5.4 million kids ELIGIBLE for SCHIP are counted as “uninsured!
18 million under 34 offered employer health insurance refused –counted as uninsured!
Altogether 52.4 million people either that don’t want coverage or are covered already!!!
Biggest LIE EVERY Told!
Another big coverup.. $50 billion a year is sent to home countries by these same “illegal aliens”.. A 20% tax on anyone sending money that can’t produce citizenship would provide at least $10 billion!
This $10 billion would be used to compensate providers that currently have $60 billion in “unreimbursed” expenses..WHICH BY THE WAY THEY DO RECOVER… THEY PAD AND PASS ON TO THOSE THAT PAY IN THE FORM OF HIGHER SERVICES COSTS!
Then tax the lawyers that made $100 billion off lawsuits many frivolous health care. The fear of lawsuits costs $300 billion in defensive medicine. 20% surcharge tax on lawyers generate $20 billion… again use to pay for “unreimbursed”..
This will not fly though!!!
Can you provide a link to the sources of this information? I would find this very useful.
Very true Dave! Unfortunately, I am writing this topic for my paper. Not by choice anyway!
Did you vote for Obama? Thanks a lot a$$hole!!!
Sick and unnecessary. Grow up, and leave the country if you’re so unhappy.
Thank you Courtney!
you obviously voted for him.
i am forced to write an essay about the retarded healthcare reform bill. i don’t care about the topic. why is it so important?? not many people care. they basically go along with whatever happens.
Thats the problem, people are just going about there business and not really paying attention. Obama is like Hitler to me, and everyone is going to just stand by and not fight back! Millions will die!! Open your eyes and do something, dont and I repeat don’t just sit back. This Healthcare Bill is a silent Killer!! Since when does the government have a right to make me have health care, and fine me if I don’t???? If we don’t fight back we will all lose!!
You should have health care because you would probably be the first person to complain if god forbid something terrible happened to you and you were in hundreds of thousands in debt. Everyone should have health insurance, nothing is ever promised and accidents and tragedies happen.
Katelyn, you’re right! As you aptly stated, “Nothing is ever promised”. This is particularly true with regard to good health or health care. I agree with you that everyone should have health insurance. I just don’t believe your health insurance should be my responsibility. Further, neither good health or health insurance are “human rights”. Remember “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”. These are our inalienable human rights. These are the things that we all should champion and defend. Health insurance is political fodder!
Are you kidding me? The next person’s health care is not your responsibility? What a selfish way of thinking. You have some growing to do I see. We all are responsible for each other, the sooner you understand that concept the better position you’ll arrive at to be able to ad to your world.
Scenario: Citizen has infectious disease (does not know because he doesn’t get regular check-ups/ no insurance) He carries this deadly disease that takes years to manifest itself, but he’s spreading it like crazy… by the time it’s discovered.. YOU’RE DEAD! ..Get it now???? We should always be willing to PAY for our fellow man as it is in the best interest of the WHOLE.
Yes I think everyone should have health care… but I do not think it should be forced upon you. According to the Constitution in Article 1 section 8 clause 3 it is unconstitutional to require a citizen to purchase a good or service. Plus, the reason why a lot of people do not have health care is because they can not afford it. I can not afford health care but according to the government I make to much to get free health care. So now Obama is going to make me pay for something I can’t afford and if I don’t I have to pay a fine and/or go to jail. Now tell me how fair is that?
Really? Like Hitler? You really need to grasp reality. Besides that rediculous comment, would you rather pay taxes for the millions that use government aid for health care when most have enough money to afford health care? Working in the hospital, it kills me to see that woman driving a brand new lexus, using medicaid
You don’t even know how to spell ridiculous. I’m siding with Kimzie.
TO KIMZIE: Saying that Obama is like hitler is asinine. If you had any actual education, you would realize that Hitler intentionally attempted genocide, whereas Obama is trying to help our country. It is people like you, lying hypocrites, who hinder the progress of this country. Maybe you should attend school some time and grow up like the rest of your peers.
Thank you for the trip back to reality. Lisa: Not being able to spell is directly related to genetics. He can’t help it. A dude: Very true about using medicaid and having a new lexus. A new health care bill will allows us to begin to repair our country. Kimzie: For you to go so far as to compare Obama to Hitler shows that you have some serious issues that should be corrected. Hitler was responsible for the worst genocide in International History, and Obama is desperately trying to fix our country. Gain some maturity please.
” Obama is desperatly trying to fix our country ” ha ha ha ha, Just laughed so hard I about fell out of my chair. Pretty sure he is trying to ” Sink ” our country.
LYNETT: you are one big fat hypocritical idiot.
Courtney I’m not saying I agree that Obama is like Hitler but I do believe that people should not blindly follow their leaders… or the people or are against their leaders. You’re kidding about genetics and being able to spell right? Your computer tells you when you spell something wrong, if you spell something wrong it means you’re lazy… not poor genetics.
The same reason you are required to have car insurance. I don’t want to be stuck with paying the bill for those who can’t afford or those file bankruptcy because of medical bills.
Kimzie that is absolutely crazy. Even Cuba has better life expectancy and infant mortality than the United States. The rest of the world is baffled that this is even being debated in America.
Healthcare is a right, not a privilege. A unhealthy person is an unproductive worker. Makes sense for us all to chip in to look after each other’s health.
HEAR HEAR!
TO KIMZIE: I guess you don’t care that The top 5 health insurance companies reported $12 billion profits last year, Yet 2.6 million Americans lost their health insurance coverage last year for varying reasons. And that We spend 1.9 trillion on health care, which constitutes 16% of America’s gross domestic product. The health care reform bill is getting health insurance for 32 million new people who want it. This bill is saving lives, and just because you do not like democrats or Obama, you are trying to make people afraid, and saying that obama is a terrorist. Do you actually think that a president would try to destroy America? Either you think these things or you have no life and spend your day writing random things on websites for the fun of it.
Healthcare is a joke and so is obama
This healthcare thing is bullshit but Im tried of these fuckin conservates right-wingers bashing on Obama . If george w bush would have passed this then they would have been all for it ,where was this fuckin teaparty bullshit shit when bush taxes hikes crashed the economy In the first place. I’m not defending the health care bill, but when you call someone a communist. Who’s just trying to help the poor people of this country. That crossing the line. Now he could have did better and listen to white America more. But bush did the same thing how many times did the american people say we want our people gone out of Iraq. This muthafucka did listen one bit. So if any body wants to debate on this I have a email, a phone number, speak to me I want here from you
well said.
It appears this is a matter of discrimination, and correct me by all means if I am wrong however answer this one question for me. You state that President Bush would not pull our troops out of Iraq well that may be true, however has Obama kept his number one stand to also pull the troops out. The answer is no infact he has just deported several more troops to the middle east and increased your taxes by 40% with his new health care plan. So yes socialism must be his goal here.
The answer is yes he has kept his promise to pull our troops out. According to the timetable they will be totally withdrawn by the end of next year. Obama increasing troop levels in Afghanistan was a part of his platform all along, and he has stayed true to it as well. Much military progress has been made there since the president took office.
He did not increase your taxes by 40%; you should reread the article. I’m really disappointed that some people on this thread refer to Obama as a socialist and compare him to Hitler. They are such unfair and uneducated accusations.
I agree that socialism is Obama’s goal.
If your going to debate or write about anything, please do us all a favor; learn proper grammer, English, and have a little bit of class.
If your going to debate or write about something, please do us all a favor; learn proper grammer, English, and have a little more class.
“you’re.”
haha. *slaps forehead*
classic
Grammar*
Haha, that’s funny, I do wish people would be a little bit more respectful of each other though. Just because you have different opinion doesn’t give you the right to be an asshole… I didn’t vote for Obama but I don’t hate the guy, and if I want to give a reason why I don’t like something he’s doing I’m going to do it in a diplomatic way that isn’t rude. I swear half of the post on this page are just pissed off people that don’t care to educate themselves.
Absoloutly Not! We do not even know what this bill or now law consists of, we the people have not been granted permission to read the contents of a health care plan we are voting on. Giving your Okay to something that you do not fully understand is idiotic.
This issue is not Democrat Vs. Republican, it is actually what is America. We (all of society) has created a have and have not situation that appears about to emplode. This did not start with Obama or Bush, but when decisions were made to save everyone. The welfare mentality, where everybody deserves a living, even if they do not have to work for it, may have been the begining. We now have fifth and sixth generation individuals, with there hand out for something that was supposed to be a program to give someone a temporary hand until they could find work. It has now become so embedded in our society, that many think it is possible for everyone to have a “living Wage” and Free Medical Care and it should be on the back of those rich cat business owners. Take it from a small business owner, the end is near and nobody is going to like it.
I couldn’t agree with you more, this seems to have all started with people taking advantage of social security benefits. It’s crazy!
This Health Care Reform Forces people to have Care or get fined.
Poorer people get care from other peoples taxes.
Not the best idea the governments had in a while.
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Who actually likes this bill?
me
You’re joking, man
The indoor tanning tax seems very racist against white people. Black people don’t use tanning beds.
Hahahahaha black people don’t use tanning beds because they really don’t need to get any darker. White people don’t like being translucent so they tan even though it’s a proven fact that tanning beds can cause skin cancer. It may suck that it is getting taxed but if you think about it, it is a health risk in a way… However so is McDonald’s so idk what they’re going to do about that
Have you not notice we have lost our” Business Ethics” too many are gaming the system for their advantage Wall st. Doctors ,Lawyers, Insurance Co.Pharmaceutical industry.There was a time this nation put patriotism before profit, but not now…Obama will lead us back to what we once were.
I assume you are referring to World War I or II when you talk about putting Patriotism before profit. That was a time when the US was fighting in a popular war, supported by most of the world. The business owners had a huge investment in making sure those wars went their way, much the same as they do now. There are few among us that would invest in and operate a business without some belief that it would return a profit. Patriotism is still alive and well. It may well be the government that has changed. Why are we still fighting wars on two fronts when Obama campaigned on a platform calling for the end of the war against terror in Iraq and Afghanistan? He is leading us, but it is to a place we have never been and never should be. When business is told that they cannot make a profit, they will not exist. Then where will Obama get his money to fly all over the country trying to convince the populace how great he is.
Obama is not tring to convince other countries leaders that he himself is great. He is trying to improve our countries ties with them. People who are mentioning that Obama is a socialist, I really don’t see where being a socialist is so horrible. I am not saying that he is, but I believe that we should take care of our own people in America. I am still waiting for universal health care, where are are doctors who make house calls (France) and childcare that is a dollar a day (Norway). People cannot work if they cannot afford childcare plus rent and food. If we all give, then we will all have, what is wrong with that? I would like to see peace, compassion, empathy, and love; when I look at America. Not hate, selfishness, intolerance, and greed. Feed people here, educate us for free (The Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany, France), why not pay some more taxes and not have to worry as much about how we would pay for the really expensive expenses? They have proven with education the population goes down, costs would go down and just maybe America would be considered a real world power again.
hear, hear.
yeah! We have the best health care in the world, but the most expensive. so a lot of people cannot get simple vaccinations IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAS THE BEST HEALTH CARE IN THE WORLD!
This country was built by the people from all those country you mentioned….but yet they left and came here? Maybe its not that great there after all…
Tiger babe:
What is so wrong with Socialism? Pretty soon you run out of other peoples’ money. Duh.
I don’t believe in Health Care.
Either that, or I don’t get the whole joke.
Look. I don’t agree with the Health Care Reform Bill neither. The only thing I personally am going to say about this topic is that I find it simply to be a escape goat using a don’t ask don’t tell technique. The escape goat is baisically a way for our country to become debt free again and bounce back from the bail-outs that were givin out a while back. In addition to that it also could cause Americans to become even more in debt. Reason #1 is the cost of coverage is based off of credit scores. Reason # 2 is that if you can’t afford the coverage you’ll still get fined a penalty at tax time. B/c the IRS will be backing the Bill up 100%. Those are documented facts not compulsive comments.
Your all faggots…
look whos talkin
Oh look, it’s the Beastl himself! So tell us, Mr. Obama, WHY DO YOU WANT TO DESTROY AMERICA WITH YOUR LIBERAL COMMUNIST ATTACKS ON OUR WAY OF LIFE WITH YOUR SECRET LIBERAL-HOMOSEXUAL-JEWISH AGENDA?! You and your cadre of Godless heathens will face Eternal Damnation for your health care bill! Your bill will send a brown flood of illegal immigrants from Mexico and destroy our American way of life! I hope you’re happy Mr. President! Because of your actions we will all be speaking Spanish and will be worshiping the False God of the Vatican within ten years! So tell me, Mr. Obama, where in the bill did you hide the need to brand us will Your Mark, 666, on our hands or foreheads?! Mr. Obama, you and your liberal army will be remembered as the cartel that conspired to destroy America!
Now, Rush, please restrain yourself. Although my colleague, President Obama, has sponsored a bill that will could wreak irrevocable harm on our system of caring for Americans, we must be civil. No matter how irresponsible he is in sponsoring such a bill, we mustn’t resort to petty name calling.
@ John McCain:
LIBERAL! Your Moderatism has catered to the Godless Liberal-Jewish-Media machine for a long time, but now I see that you have indeed abandoned your conscious for the side of the Liberal Media Cartel! Have fun in Hell you Goddamn Liberal swine!
I can see Russia from my house! Oopsie, got to go! The retard-subhuman baby is crying again. Uhg… I don’t know if I can stand 30 more years of this!
wakeup people do you know that around 53% of people living in this country dont pay taxes,who do you think is going to pay for this obamacare,and yes lets give free healthcare to illegal immigrants,we may as well pay for that while were at it,when your paycheck is smaller you only have yourself to blame.
I’m joking, man.
And so is Obama.
Can’t we all take a joke?
was obama born in the U.S.?if so can he prove it? so far no if he could he would.would’nt he? i’ll tell everyone reading this i might not be that great at spelling.But i know when the Obamanation that this man is calls himself the president and somehow gets into office and starts forcing bills into law and forcing people FORCING people in the future to abide by his laws. not americas voted on laws that’s definite trouble for this country everyone in america……….even illegal aliens will suffer from this
I see Fox news and Rush and the bunch are doing well . All these like minded hated filled hypocrites will believe anything the pied pipers of hate will tell them. It doesnt matter what the truth is. It doesnt and never has mattered whats good for the country or even their own familys to these right winged hypocrites. Whatever a liberal or democrate may come up with they must oppose it. Need I remind EVERYONE it was BUSH and a REP congress for 6 years that did nothing but bring this country to its knees on every level. Less gov? Gee I guess we should keep the oil companies and the banking compines and the insurance companys un regulated Freaking idiots look where that got us. Less Gov? Yea until you have control and set record deficits in both the Reagan and Bush administrations. Didnt hear to many of you yelling Less government then. Hypocrites!!! You are hate filled idiots with your head in the sand are going to be the end of this country THANKS by the way Yes our country is in trouble but I say you hatefilled rightwinged hypocrites are mostly to blame. I C its ok to lead a country into freaking war based on lies and stupidity but heaven forbid we try and help our fellow uninsured americans. Real christian there hypocrites.
By the way I didnt add stupid hatefilled BULLY idiots to my rant. Keep stepping on everyone eles rights and hopes for our country . The Muslum Americans. the Hispanic Americans, The Black Americans, The Gay Americans The Disabled Americans . The Uninsured Americans etc etc As their numbers grow yours will surely decline and then you will have no hope for even compromise . You make it so transparent. You use your so called political platform to disguise and hide what you really are. Biggoted, hatefilled ,bully. hypocrites. Look in the mirrior and ask yourselves one question. Why is it you guys NEVER can admit fault? Why is it you guys ALWAYS blame someone eles no matter how clear it is to the rest of the world whos to blame for most of the problems we have? You have your children smile and maybe even play with the different but at home inside your dark little hatefilled, dysfunctional world you plant those little seeds of distain and contempt . As your clones grow they might even become as stupid AS WISE on an earlier post who is so gullable and stupid he actually would believe our president must be from another country because he heard it on FOX news. Scary thing is there are millions of idiots who want and need to be spoonfed this hate. To know someone eles feels so bad about themselves that they have to blame someone eles for there pathetic existence. .Its The Musums fault. Its the Gays fault. Its the Hispanics fault. Jane Fondas fault, Michael Moores fault. Clintons fault,Striesands fault. Liberal medias fault, Sciences fault. Donald Ducks fault. NO Its your fault!!!! Your hate and fear and lack of accountability has blinded you to the point of risking your own family and childrens lives. Maybe they might even need health care someday or maybe they dont want to die in a war based on stupidity and lies. Maybe they would like to try and save our planet after all we have did to it no matter how you dispute climate change. FUCKING IDIOTS!!!!
if i wrote everything my man KEN wrote about.. i would be a hypocrite after all i do drive to work everyday that uses gas..i build houses for marines and there familys who fight for our freedom.my older brothers are in the air force my younger brothers in the army in iraq.and ii’ve been on medication for diabetes back surgurey all my life. Now like i said befor i may not know how to write very well.. And i don’t watch fox news or rush. and i hate polotics.if this guy ken is reading this i agree with you on some things but some things i don’t and it has nothing to do with …color/race/sex/rep/dem. if this nation keeps fighting each other we may not be A nation united under god much longer. but we need to fight towards that! not each other..i’m not here typing trying to pick fights..All i’m saying is if we keep heading in this direction…..thats alot of trouble for everyone..
so does anyone not see the giving end of life counseling to 65 and over year olds who are costing the government too much money to keep alive!!! WTF!!! Obama wont kill them he will just quit giving them their medicine because its too expensive and WATCH them die .. no big deal right!!!! retards!!! those diabetics out there when u turn 65 and live off the government because you had a stroke or something and cant work!!! guess what.. you’re going to die because insulin is going to be too expensive and they cant afford to keep you alive!!! same with anybody of any age.. if its going to cost to much to keep you alive even though you will survive YOU WILL DIE!!!!! IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU HAVE A 100% RECOVERY RATE IF YOU COST TO MUCH MONEY TO KEEP ALIVE THEY WILL NOT I REPEAT WILL NOT SAVE YOU!!! and wanting abortions to be legal up to the age of 2!!! killing a 2 year old what the hell is wrong with Obama!!! Sick bastard!!! i dont care that hes black or a democrat but i different black democrat in office just get this noncitizen muslim piece of crap out of office and feeding the american people bullshit with his sweet talking speeches that he doesnt even write … the americans are oblivious to the facts because the truth is too scary!!!!
I know; I don’t even know where I am on this one. Probably neutral at best. The subject came up with an acquaintance of mine today, whom I (maybe) mistakenly called, though it was partly to talk about whether or not I, a bum, am out of work at this point, and ask if he’d still be able to give me a reference for new potential job leads. During the time we were on phone, the conversation evolved to this !@#$%^&*() health care thing, and he’s a very good person, but EXTREMELY narrow minded about certain things, and can’t see eye to eye with anyone who disagrees with him. “My way or no way” is the impression I get. I could have done all manner of other things with that hour I spent on the phone, even if I am unemployed right now, and would have saved myself some grief calling. But this was someone I don’t speak to very often, so of course, the conversation went on for a good stretch. Still, a touchy topic like this almost caused me to hang up the phone, but yet I can’t afford to burn my damn bridges for possible references. My husband’s opinion would likely be the antithesis of this person’s, and me, I’m somewhere in the middle. I guess? If nothing else, sometimes we have to agree to disagree.
Everyone has the right to voice their own opinion. It is one of the things that make this country great. I am all for this bill. I have MS and can not get health insurance. My meds cost $25K a year with out insurance. Did I mention that I am only 22 and am getting married in a year. WIthout this bill I would have nothing that moment I get married and would not be able to get my meds. People that make a lot of money and can afford a good health plan do not like this because they think that it impedes on their rights cause they are taxed. What they don’t understand is that the people that do not have insurance are costing them more money in the long run than this increase will. Without health insurance the bills keep stacking up when a person gets injured or gets diagnosed with a disease. The health care industry has to take care of them and when the person can not afford the $50,000 that it costs for their ER visit ( which is extremely over exaggerated due to the hospitals and doctors needing to recover the money they lose with people that they know can pay) they have to write it off when the person files bankruptcy. I understand that everyone has their own view on things but if people would take their head out of their ass and think about someone else besides themselves when they are making a decision it would make a lot of things better in this world instead of people only wanting to get their and screwing everyone else. People that do not have insurance are not all lazy, or immigrants, or bad people. They mostly are people that have gotten the short end of the stick and can not handle to cost of it alone. If you make enough money that you could have something happen to you or a member of your family and pay cash then again, take you head out of your ass and donate some money. Not to look like a generous person, or to feel better, but instead to help another human being that might not be as fortunate as you and did not get their parents money or fall into money. Some people deserve their wealth and most of those people give money as they know what it is like to build wealth. The people that do not have to work for it and get everything handed to them on a diamond platter do not understand what it is like to work for a living. Bottom line: get you head out of your ass and think of others when you are forming your opinion.
I have alredy had taste of Obama care, and let me tell you if you think medicare and medicade was difficult under the old rules “YOU AIN’T SEEN NOTHING YET”.
it is so easy to be judgmental about healthcare when you have it but if you are one of the millions who do not have it and/or one of the 45,000 people who die each and every year (Harvard study) because they have no insurance, you think this is great. I have a suggestion, all you people out there who are against this healthcare blessing, give up your insurance for one year. This includes your children and spouse and see how much sleep you get at night for that 365 days. I do this every night because my children, spouse and me are not insured because we live in Mi and there are no jobs here. 2000 people show up for 2oo jobs. 500 people fill out apps for 60 jobs. In my household we worry about a job and insurance. Maybe the folks who think we can not afford this should try going without. I bet you may change your mind when you are one of us………….
This healthcare crap is driven by all the lazy people in this country that do not want to work. The middle class has taken care of their lazy asses for to long. They have as good a health care as the senators and congressmen do. I worked in the low income housing and the tenants were making more sitting home with their big screen tv, cell phones, food stamps and cash benefits than I was making an hour. And another driving factor is the dead beats on SSI. Sucking this nation dry. I am not predjudice by no means and the way the slaves were treated is appauling, but I think it is “PAY BACK” time for the “WHITE BOY”! I don’t believe in these illegal aliens coming here either but they are will to die for this country or they would not risk their lives to come here to work. The wealthy welfare recipients should be out in those fields working from sun up until sun down in all kinds of weather, making minimum wage and all the taxes taken out like the rest of sorry asses! Pay your fair share or get the hell out of here!
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